This For That: The Posse Cut Edition

What up world! And welcome to another edition of This For That. Today, my focus is on the “posse cut”. The concept of the posse cut is pretty simple: 1. Get a beat 2. Get a posse 3. Record a song. History has given us countless classic collectives so I have a few tough choices to make. From an artist’s perspective, being a part of this collective presents a certain level of friendly competition. Everybody wants to have  that “that’s the best verse on the song” type of performance. And that, my friends, is what makes the posse cut so dope!

So let’s get into it…

1. What in the World?!

I’ll give you the 2010 We Are The World and a year’s supply of autotune for the original We Are The World.

I understand the relevance of the song. I get that they wanted to update it to reflect the current issues and speak to a different generation. I get that in order to really appeal to this newer generation, they had to fish some talent out of the current pool o f entertainers. But, come on!! Autotune? Jamie Foxx as Ray? Stop playing. They filled the studio up with too many quasi-talented people and even gave a few of them solos. But then as the camera panned across the room, you could clearly see some real talent was there. Just out of respect, some of those artists should have just clicked “No, thank you” when they got their evite.

2. Just another average Joe…

I’ll give you every Fat Joe appearance on a posse cut since 2006 for the  John Blaze Fat Joe

I can’t really speak for the general public, but I feel like the post-Big Pun (RIP) Fat Joe isn’t the same as the Jealous Ones Envy and Don Cartagena Joe. As a member of the DJ Khaled’s Posse Cut All-Stars, Joe has appeared on countless collaborations with some of the best artists in the game. And those songs definitely serve their purpose. They get you pumped up when they drop in the club, on the radio, or randomly on the mp3 player. But if I just have to listen to a Fat Joe-featured posse joint, I gotta go with the pre-Lean Back Joe before he was extra iced-out and all that.

John Blaze – Nas, Big Pun, Jadakiss, Raekwon, & Fat Joe

3. And the winner is…

I’ll give you Khaled’s All I Do Is Win for the Wu classic Triumph

This might not necessarily be a fair comparison, but it is what it is. I will admit, Khaled’s All-Stars showed up. They did what they do best. They put a club anthem together that will have the whole audience bouncing and waving their arms in unison. But you can’t talk about winning without mentioning Triumph. The way the Wu came back with that should’ve been against the law. The fact is, All I Do Is Win can come on in the club and everybody could lose it and the crowd participation could be at 100%…but if they drop Triumph, I’m making my way to the nearest window and I’m jumping!! I might literally slap somebody just out of pure adrenaline and excitement. I don’t care what part of the map you represent, if that beat drops you become a zombie for like 49 seconds. The only thing you can do is say “I bomb atomically. Socrates philosophies and hypothesis…”

All I Do Is Win – DJ Khaled feat. Ludacris, Rick Ross, T-Pain, and Snoop Dogg

Triumph – Wu-Tang Clan

4. Buddies in Bedrock…

I’ll give you Young Money’s Bedrock AND Every Girl for De La Soul’s Buddy remix

Times have definitely changed. No disputing that at all. Yesterday’s subtle flirt is now today’s blatant solicitation. I can’t take away from the impact that these Young Money love songs have had on the culture. It’s undeniable. But De La and their Native Tongue cohorts managed to get the same message across without flat out saying “we wanna f*ck all of ya’ll”. As old school as the subtle approach may be, it makes for a much better posse cut!

Now, I want to take this time to just salute a few classic posse cuts:

Marley Marl feat. Craig G, Big Daddy Kane, Master Ace, Kool G Rap (The Juice Crew) – The Symphony

This song really laid the blueprint for the “posse cut”. CLASSIC!

Tribe Called Quest feat. Leaders of the New School – Scenario

One of my favorite joints of all time!

N.O.R.E. feat. Nature, Big Pun, Cam’ron, and The Lox – Banned From TV

These last 3 joints are the redefinition of the Posse Cut:

Outkast feat. Cee-Lo, Erykah Badu, and Big Rude – Liberation

This is that soul food…

Common feat. Omar, Cee-Lo, Bilal, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, Mary J. Blige, and “Pops” Lynn – Heaven Somewhere

This is pretty heavy right here! Pay attention…

Raheem DeVaughn feat. Jill Scott, Algebra, Bilal, Anthony Hamilton, Chrisette Michele, Ledisi, Citizen Cope, Shelby Johnson, Dwele, Chico DeBarge, and Rudy Currence – Nobody Wins A War

What up Jon Boy! Salute!

– Gee_O

…This For That…

Welcome to the first edition of This For That, our blog’s “market”, where we engage in trades of all types. Not really following where I’m coming from? That’s cool. Here’s an example:

(In the spirit of Christmas) I’ll trade you the Joe, Ashanti, and Ruben Studdard versions of “This Christmas” for the Christina Aguilera (stop fronting…ya’ll know CA gets it in on the vocals!) version of “This Christmas”

But don’t get it confused…I’ll trade every version or variation of This Christmas for the Donny Hathaway original version!

Aight…so that example was decent. But I think you get the point. Now, these trades can be real based on albums or songs or whatever that have been released or already exist…or they could be hypothetical, based on albums or songs or collaborations or anything that you wish existed. So without any further ado, here’s the first edition of This For That:

1. First on my list – Young Money

I’ll give you their debut album…plus their sophomore release and 5 bonus tracks for the Boot Camp Clik “For The People” album

Why? First let me extend kudos to Wayne for actually supporting and promoting his artists. It’s rare that the entourage ever gets to see the light of day or go beyond being an extra body on stage at a show. So I’m glad to see the posse got their chance to shine! But as far as crew collaborations go, BCC sort of laid the groundwork for the YM Gang to do what they do. I know what you’re thinking…and I thought the same thing. What about the Wu??? Yeah…the Wu is undeniable. But they dropped as a group and ventured out. The Boot Camp Clik had already experienced some success as individual artists before coming together to drop the crew album. Moving on…

2. While we’re on the topic of Young Money –

I’ll trade you a Lil Wayne rock album for a John Mayer hip hop album!

Yeah…I said it!! I’ve only heard 2, maybe 3 songs from Wayne’s rock debut, Rebirth, so I’m not saying if it’s wack or not. Because I don’t know. I honestly just wasn’t interested in witnessing that experiment. Just the same, I’ve never heard John Mayer rap a single solitary bar. But I do know that Mr. Mayor is an incredible writer and composer who has established a relationship with a few hip hop heavyweights (see: Mos Def, Jay-Z, Kanye). And from what I’ve seen, he fits in quite comfortably. With that said, I believe he could put together a  pretty impressive hip hop album. I think his transition would be more seamless than Weezy F’s (please say the…) transition into the rock world. Check out the video…

3. You know what? Why not just keep the party going? I’ll keep it all in the family…

I’ll trade Baby’s ENTIRE rap career for just about anything!

Real talk…Baby is like the Weird Al Yankovic of gangsta rap. I appreciate everything that him and Slim have done for the game. They created a business model that actually worked and continues to work. They’ve been making money off music for a really long time now. Their imprint has produced countless hood and mainstream classics!! I cannot and will not dispute that. But come on now!! Leave the rapping alone. I can see an occasional feature here and there. But whole albums, Baby???? I’ll pass. I’m just saying, I’ve yet to hear anybody say “Daaaaamn! You heard what Baby said?? That was dope!” I’m not beyond correction though. So you bring me a dope Baby quote and I will…I’ll…it doesn’t matter. I’m not worried. Nobody has an answer for that.

And on that note…I’m out!

Gee-O